Starter motor

[MowagW200]

Hi
Since about a week the starter motor some times doesn't crank the engine, just makes clonk, clonk (it doesn't close the contacts for the main motor). If I try several time it clutches and cranks the engine. First time was after a 20 mi run with hot engine (at normal level). Now it's even more frequent, up to 10 times until the engine cranks.
Today I used a fully loaded battery booster (a professional one). The same story. I wouldn't complain if it was never restored. Five years ago I spent over $ 1000.- to restore it in a shop.
So what's best? Going to have a look for a new relays, a new starter solenoid, new brush, clean and grease the shaft and assemble the whole stuff?
Or is there a replacement starter for the poly with a manual gear box behind?

[reallylongnickname]

Spend $1000 on what? The starter alone?

[birddog_mopar]

This site they will interchange with regular LA stuff including hi-torque starters (http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/poly318_1.html). I have never heard of a different starter for the manual or for the automatic in any old mopars. The hi torque starters on ebay say they will fit anything including your truck (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-MINI ... enameZWDVW).

[reallylongnickname]

Don't u people read my posts? I told about a Delco Remy starter with life time warranty. That's not all, 5 year road side assistance.

[ufo]

I have never heard of a different starter for the manual or for the automatic in any old mopars.

There is a difference on some mopars.
There is a direct drive and a gear reduction.
I dont have enough experience with the trucks line to say what fits what.
With the car line it made a difference with a hemi + 4spd combo(69 and older).

[digdoug]

This site they will interchange with regular LA stuff including hi-torque starters (http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/poly318_1.html). I have never heard of a different starter for the manual or for the automatic in any old mopars. The hi torque starters on ebay say they will fit anything including your truck (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-MINI ... enameZWDVW).

These starters will not fit 68 or older pickups with manual tranny.They also wont fit 73 or older medium or heavy duty trucks with manual tranny.
The old "Tin Can" starters are available for less than $100 ,or as reallylongnickname says @200 for a lifetime one.

Doug

[birddog_mopar]

My bad I didn't know. I just did some quick searches on the internet and posted what I came up with. I am not familiar with the differences and just thought I would try and help.

[dwc43]

My '67 with a slant took the direct drive starter. I bought one at a parts store. Not hard to find at all. Just had to order it. THe direct drive is a 3 bolt design too. It fit the cast iron bell on my 4spd truck.

[MowagW200]

Mine is a dirct drive type as well with a three bolt (mounting bolts) pattern.
$1000.- is the total for parts (ca. 250.-), disassembling, machining, assembling, coloring (ca. 600.-), rest: taxes. So I think I'll go to an online shop.
Because I'll see some types for applications with automatic (flexplate) and other for manual (solid flywheel) I think I have to stick with a type for manual applications.

[Hobcobble]

Don't u people read my posts? I told about a Delco Remy starter with life time warranty. That's not all, 5 year road side assistance.

Will roadside assistance apply to Mowag over in Switzerland?
I read your post. Wasn't this the item you described as needing "slight
alteration" for a correct fit? If this is truly the case.... I would think
it to be for a different application.
John

[digdoug]

I think I have seen that,John. Isn't that the St.Bernard with the barrel around his neck ,that makes martinis?

Doug

[MowagW200]

Yesterday I removed the starter motor from the bellhouse and had a closer look at it. So I figured out that the anchor inside the solenoid with the rod (Y- shape at the front) is rotating. It was about 30 degree out of 12 o clock pos and so it was interlocking with the lever that moves the motor shaft forward instead going forward the whole stroke. I turned the anchor back to 12 and mounted the starter again. Now for a short while it'll work like normal. But the problem still exists.

[reallylongnickname]

Don't u people read my posts? I told about a Delco Remy starter with life time warranty. That's not all, 5 year road side assistance.

Will roadside assistance apply to Mowag over in Switzerland?
I read your post. Wasn't this the item you described as needing "slight
alteration" for a correct fit? If this is truly the case.... I would think
it to be for a different application.
John

Your quick to judge, slow to questions. Im in Canada. The Dodge here is made in Canada not USA so their are at times, a different s. example: Ford 302 Windsor, Ford 302 Cleveland.

The Delco Remy model I mentioned, IS the direct replacement starter and a direct fit. However Delco Remy is USA made. So it's all pending on which transmission you have which is to be most likely where the interference is. Over all it's a simple matter to check if you have the clearance. There is NO issue with bolt pattern etc. As I mentioned 3 or 4 times before, it is a direct fit.

The road side covers Nth America. Having a life time warranty far exceeds not having road side. So whether one is Switzerland or living amongst a cannibal tribe in New Guinea or Africa, it's irrelevant.

The Dog who carries rum not wine, is a Husky here, not a St. Bernard.

[MowagW200]

Which Delco Remy model did you mention? I read all your posts from

Spend $1000 on what? The starter alone?

about

Don't u people read my posts? I told about a Delco Remy starter with life time warranty. That's not all, 5 year road side assistance.

'til the latest answer you gave. But I don't see the model. Am I blind? Thanks a lot.

[reallylongnickname]

MowagW200, That's because it was in another thread. Once we figure out if the starter will fit without interference, I could assist in getting it shipped to you if need be. How much is $1000 in US currency? I'm just curious.

Man oh man oh man I wanted that DELCO REMY starter but here is the problem. If u click on this link, it will show you the pic of the starter. It is the replacement starter, and I believe it will work on some 318 engines, everything lined up but there was one obstacle , the cover over the armature arm is solid. It hits one of the transmission bolts. The one that I had to use has a rubber piece over the armature arm. If I could somehow flipped the solenoid & armature to be on the bottom of the starter that would have worked.

So the only starter available was not by Delco Remy, so it ended up being a one year warranty with 5 yr road side. Even if I took the bolt out, there would probably still be interference. I do have half the mind to cut out the piece that is interfering though.

with metal cover:
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/N ... -+Standard

with rubber boot:
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/N ... er+-+Remfd

[achille]

[quote="reallylongnickname"]
How much is $1000 in US currency? I'm just curious. [/quote]

Yeah,how much is $1000 in REAL money?

[Hobcobble]

Your quick to judge, slow to questions. Im in Canada. The Dodge here is made in Canada not USA so their are at times, a different s. example: Ford 302 Windsor, Ford 302 Cleveland.

The Delco Remy model I mentioned, IS the direct replacement starter and a direct fit. However Delco Remy is USA made. So it's all pending on which transmission you have which is to be most likely where the interference is. Over all it's a simple matter to check if you have the clearance. There is NO issue with bolt pattern etc. As I mentioned 3 or 4 times before, it is a direct fit.

The road side covers Nth America. Having a life time warranty far exceeds not having road side. So whether one is Switzerland or living amongst a cannibal tribe in New Guinea or Africa, it's irrelevant.

The Dog who carries rum not wine, is a Husky here, not a St. Bernard.

Hello Sir,
You'll notice the correct punctuations at the end of my previously written sentences. They are
indeed question marks..... I do not know of a "Judgement Mark". I'm asking QUESTIONS on
behalf of a fellow MEMBER to avoid a possible major INCONVENIENCE.... nothing more
It is not I who is "QUICK TO"..... OK.... pal??

Again..... you mention INTERFERENCE with regards to proper fit and finish. I personally would
prefer the part that is the DIRECT BOLT IN.... you're welcome to "machine" your part to your liking
in order to achieve minimum or zero "interference"..... am I clear enough on that for you??

I was never in question with regards to bolt pattern..... as you've mentioned "3 or 4 times"....
If you take another moment to READ my previous entries..... they should absolve you of any
further doubt

With Due Respects,
John

[MowagW200]

Dear Sir (all who were asking me about the "$"- character)
I used the "$"- character because I thought you might be familiar with it for the USD currency. But I assumed I'm wrong.
I got the file where all bills for my Mowag are stored. So I was getting the bill for the starter restoration.
Spare parts (brushes, armature, pole piece, clutch, head, solenoid) sFr. 563.- (USD 536.-)
Shipping costs sFr. 23.- (USD 21.90)
Working hours (1.32 * 400): sFr. 528.- (USD 503.-)
So you'll notice, the overall costs for the restoration in Switzerland was USD 1140.-
Next time either I'll do it myself or buy a new one in the States

By the way:
Thanks for your quick response. The second starter looks very like the starter installed in my truck. The number stamped on the case is 1889 100. It's an original chrysler starter.

[reallylongnickname]

Mowag, so is that rebuild in Switzerland a done deal? I'd hold off on the rebuild untell we know your options. Is it too late to back out? Even if they charge you say a $300 fee for backing out, it still is worth it. How do they justify over a thousand bucks? They probably figure since your the only guy in town who drives a rare vehicle from Nth Amer, you'll pay the price they demand.

Do you want to look into the offer I described? I don't know if the lifetime warranty is offered via USA but it is offered in Canada by the same franchise. Currency is about the same right now as US.

[MowagW200]

reallylongnickname, yes I would like to the a new (rebuilt) starter.

MowagW200, That's because it was in another thread. Once we figure out if the starter will fit without interference, I could assist in getting it shipped to you if need be. How much is $1000 in US currency? I'm just curious.

Man oh man oh man I wanted that DELCO REMY starter but here is the problem. If u click on this link, it will show you the pic of the starter. It is the replacement starter, and I believe it will work on some 318 engines, everything lined up but there was one obstacle , the cover over the armature arm is solid. It hits one of the transmission bolts. The one that I had to use has a rubber piece over the armature arm. If I could somehow flipped the solenoid & armature to be on the bottom of the starter that would have worked.

So the only starter available was not by Delco Remy, so it ended up being a one year warranty with 5 yr road side. Even if I took the bolt out, there would probably still be interference. I do have half the mind to cut out the piece that is interfering though.

with metal cover:
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/N ... -+Standard

with rubber boot:
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/N ... er+-+Remfd

I would like to get the starter with the rubber boot even though my heart is for the starter with metal cover. If you'll pm me your address I'll send the amount for the costs (s&h incl.). I personally don't think that the lifetime warranty offered for the USA is valid outside the States. But I don't care very much about it, because shipping back to the state is quite as expensive as a new starter. For me it's not worth to send back the core for only USD 8.- to 30.-. My shipping cost is far higher.

Prior to the restoration (Feb/2004) this is the starter. I guess you'll notice that one screw's missing. If the starter with the metal cover will fit without cutting and sawing then I'll take that one with the metal cover.
Thanks a lot.

And please keep in mind: I would like to mount the DTA headers soon (this year).