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I have been thinking about possibly in the far future Dualing out the exhaust on my D200.

Right now it has two into one with a long cherry bomb muffler and the pipe is coming out the passenger side in front of the rear tire.

First off, there is no way I can afford Gordo's headers. The cost of these would like, exceed the cost of my truck! Not that I would'nt chop off a finger for a pair :lol:

These are the things I am thinking about...

Pipes from front to back, no mufflers. Would this make it sound cool? Or cheap an trashy?

Mufflers, glass packs? Something else? I do not want it too quiet.

I know these muffler shops know their business. But all the same??? Why are the mufflers always mounted up towards the cab? Why not near the rear?

Shorter? having the pipes come out maybe in front of the tires? Better sound taking the pipes all the way to the rear?

Your comments would be great reading no doubt. Thanks!
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Tons of theories on exhaust. Most of it boils down to personal taste.

First, unless you put some money and work into your engine, the headers will not
live up to their full potential.

Something you might consider is to keep the majority of your current system and
have the exhaust split back out to duals just before the rear axle. Sure it will not
be a true dual system; but you will still have the dual outlets, which is a major factor
in the "dual exhaust" sound. Also, as the exhaust gas heads towards the back and
cools off, its density significantly increases. Which means it doesn't require nearly
as much volume to move the gas at low pressure, as it does at the front of the
system. The cost of just a Y and another tail pipe would be considerably less, and
still get the look and sound you are after.

I am big fan of glass packs! They are cheap, have a great sound, flow better than
anything, hold up well and are easy to fit. The trick is to get the right length.
Too short and they pop and cackle. 32"-36" is great, no pops or cackles, deep,
mellow sound, you will not go deaf on the highway. The glass pack design will also
help channel most of the sound out the tail pipe, with very little coming up through
the floors and into the cab. These trucks have very little sound insulation. This can
make a huge difference to driving comfort. Flow Master might sound great as they
drive by, but actually flow awful, are very pricey and will drive you insane on the
highway. Their thin, uninsulated cases allow a lot of sound to come up through the
floor. I have dual 40" glass packs on my 5.2 Magnum, I love them! Healthy, deep,
but civilized and tolerable sound. They are still new, and will get even better with
age. You don't want straight pipes. Besides being illegal, it will sound awful. You
don't want to be in the same crowd as those Chevy neanderthals that run around
like that, thinking it makes their crumby 350 sound good. :shame

They are pricier, but Cherry Bomb also makes a Vortex muffler that is awesome.
They are pretty big and heavy, compared to the typical turbo muffler, but
have a very non restrictive path, and the heavy case pushes all the sound out
the back. I have a pair on my convertible, with a 440. You can hear me on the
highway a mile back when I get on it, but still maintain a conversation without
yelling at 70 mph, with the top down.

Muffler location tends to be at the front because the longer the tailpipe, the
smoother, more uniform the sound and generally effective the muffler will be.
More importantly though, as the gas cools condensation forms from the water
vapor. The closer to the front, the more of that water remains in vapor. The
closer to the rear, the more condensation and the more likely that water will
condensate in the muffler and rust it out. Ever notice water dripping from the
tail pipe?

I am not an expert on fluid dynamics, but I would imagine that some muffler
designs would do better with the fast moving, hot gas up front, while others
would do better with the colder, slow moving gas at the rear. Efficient exhaust
is all about balancing the scavenging effect of a high velocity flow of gas, with
the proper amount of back pressure. This is especially true on a truck. extremely
low back pressure is great for high rpm horsepower, but can impact low rpm
torque. Torque is typically much more valuable for a truck than horsepower.
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Re: Dual exhaust

Post by Rodger »

Cody

This is a subject that many do do under-stand, so to some they
only use and repeat what an add-sales person has written to sale
the product.

As already said in the last post above, learn where you keep the
RPM's at when/while you drive, not where you may touch at only
ever now and again.

When many folks add HP and Torque to an engine that is already
getting to the point of "being worn out". They quicken the
wearing process by what they just did.

If you are going to enhance the power of the engine, get the
related parts ready of the increase in power. An example of
this would to do something about your U-Joints now, not
after you break them and the Drive-Shaft bounces wildly
around the bottom of you truck smashing all it touches.

After your truck was made, many exhaust "learnings"
have been learnt by the college degreed engineer's and
the home shop's. Some times one has learned from the
other and perfected the exhaust to meet with their
usage.

If you get in touch with two or more Dyno Shops that
work with full vehicle exhaust and the complete vehicle.
You need learn the best of the best. This is an subject
that you want a "A" on. The reason that I say to learn
from a Dyno Shop is their goal is to make power that
works. The local muffler shop is there to do what you
want and to make profit while doing this. This means
learn from the dyno shop and have the muffler shop
do what you want.

If there is an MoPar Club near you, get with them
since they may have "Dyno Day's" as an club event.
When this happens, the dyno shop rates are better
since they are opening a full day to the club at a
better than average cost. Most clubs will not fret
if you tag along since this may make you become
a member later on.

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On the above there was dual carb'd 426 cubed
"hemi's" to 3.9L V6's that were tested. Some
came by to learn and some just wanted to chat
while eating lunch.

Now go and do your Dodge Truck "home-work".

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If you know someone who welds you can probably do it yourself. Cherrry Bombs are like $20 each at Autozone.

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I say straight out the back. I'm not a fan of turning it out before or after the tire though. Again, personal preference. Besides, anything to keep the sound from coming in through the side windows!!
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From my experience strait pipes are loud poppy and nasty sounding like a distruction durby car.The shorter the pipe the louder and crapper the sound. But I did have a car with straits all the way back past the bumper and it wasn't loud inside and didn't pop too much.It really depends on the size of tube.glasspacks are cool,but if you want to hear it I'd go shorter than 36" thats what my swept has with headers and it it as quiet as a new car (too quiet).I'd say 24" glasspacks would be good.Thats just my opinion.
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I just put a set of FlowMaster Series 40 Delta Flows on my '65D100 with an LA318.
They're not cheap.... around $75/ea.. I'm running 2" pipe. The mufflers are placed
under the rear of the cab and I have 2" pipe running clear to the rear bumper. The
muffler sounds nice when you get on it but is quiet at lower RPMs..... so much so
that I hear my engine fan over the mufflers. :lol: I have no cross-over pipe on this
exhaust set up and am running stock cast iron truck exhaust manifolds. I put a
nice 2.94:1 "cruising" gear set in this truck so, at 65-70mph the sound is real
nice.

I have a '61 D200 A318 Poly that has stock cast iron manifolds and a 2 1/4" dual
exhaust set up using Midas "house" mufflers. This system does have a cross-over
pipe. The exhaust goes to the rear bumper. This system gives a mild "throaty"
sound when you get into the throttle.... a bit too "timid" for me but I do like the
fact that there is no cab noise whatsoever [aside from wind rushing through some
rust holes in the cab :lol: ]. This truck has a 4.10:1 axle so a real aggressive
muffler might get on my nerves after a while.

I have a '68 W200 LA318 that has a 2 1/4" system all the way to the bumper. It was
custom fabbed by the local "exhaust guru" at the Midas shop. He made a custom 'Y"
from the cast iron manifolds to a "house" flowmaster muffler with one inlet/two outlets.
The two outlet pipes run to the rear bumper. This truck sounds good.... throaty
at idle and relatively aggressive with throttle but not harsh.... even with the
4.88:1 gears its running. :Thumbsup

If you do go dual and can swing it.... I'd recommend getting a cross-over pipe.
I'd stay between 2" & 2 1/4" in pipe diameter myself. If you're on a tight budget
for mufflers..... you can't go wrong with a good glasspack.... something 24"-36"
in length. :Thumbsup Some of the old school geezers swear by "Smithys".... they
give you a decent sound at a good price and can be had in lengths up to 36" or
better. :study
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Hobcobble wrote:Themuffler sounds nice when you get on it but is quiet at lower RPMs..... so much so
that I hear my engine fan over the mufflers. :lol:
nice.

Thats how quiet mine is! :lol:

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I am big fan of glass packs also. However, my experience has shown that
if the packs get much shorter than 32" they will start popping and cackling.
I have had 36" packs on a 318 before and thought it was the best sound,
healthy, deep and smooth under all conditions. My Crew has 40" packs behind
the 5.2 EFI Magnum, a bit mellower than the old 318 with 36's. But they are also
new and will get a bit more aggressive with age. I love an aggressive exhaust,
but the 40" packs are great for my needs on this truck. I can hear them at all
speeds, but very tolerable for my family use.
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Cody,
Keep it quiet,,,,,once you do find a girlfriend,how are you going to be able to sneak her home after midnight with a loud swepty,,,you might end up with some buck shot in your exhaust if you wake her daddy. :lol:
really though,i would and still do keep it as cheap as i can.
I think cherry bombs and exiting in front of the rear tires would give you the sound you are after.
Do install a "H" pipe if possible.
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Glasspacks all the way, baby.

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I used the Cherry Bomb version of a glass pack. They are made a little more heavy duty than some of the glass pack style mufflers out there. I sanded the surface of them a bit and painted them black since they are painted red. Mine are less than 30" on a 440 with shorty headers (stupid '68 trans cross member). My pipes are 2" diameter and I also have a cross over pipe. It has a real nice sound and I don't get the popping that some have experienced. I don't know why. It may be because the Cherry Bomb brand does a little better job. I really couldn't tell ya.

It sounds great at idle and just running around town. When I get on it, it is very loud. Sounds like a radial engine airplane or something.

I had a set of Walker Super Turbos on it. It was way too quite for my taste (BTW: for sale, pair of Walker Super Turbo mufflers). The cherry bombs are so loud though I thought my wife would hate it. I did the swap without telling her. Luckily, she likes it. As she said, it is an old truck with a big engine, it should be loud. Additionally, she likes anything that sounds remotely like an airplane. Win!

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Personally, I think a set of vertical stacks coming off that flat bed would look mighty fine. Don't know about loudness, though. And you can add the flamethrowers later.
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Cody--

I don't recall what engine you're running. If it's an LA small block, an alternative to headers might be a pair of cast iron exhaust manifolds from a 360. They can be had for not a whole lot.

Folks with early A-Bodies (Barracudas, Valiants, Darts) have few choices when it comes to headers on V-8s, and the 360 manifold is a good compromise.

Best of luck,

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ramrod wrote:Cody,
Keep it quiet,,,,,once you do find a girlfriend,how are you going to be able to sneak her home after midnight with a loud swepty,,,you might end up with some buck shot in your exhaust if you wake her daddy. :lol:
really though,i would and still do keep it as cheap as i can.
I think cherry bombs and exiting in front of the rear tires would give you the sound you are after.
Do install a "H" pipe if possible.
good luck
this is a good point, even if you want to sneak home and you've passe your designated time to get home.

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MountainMoparRobin wrote:
ramrod wrote:Cody,
Keep it quiet,,,,,once you do find a girlfriend,how are you going to be able to sneak her home after midnight with a loud swepty,,,you might end up with some buck shot in your exhaust if you wake her daddy. :lol:
really though,i would and still do keep it as cheap as i can.
I think cherry bombs and exiting in front of the rear tires would give you the sound you are after.
Do install a "H" pipe if possible.
good luck
this is a good point, even if you want to sneak home and you've passe your designated time to get home.
And you don't want the Caldwell cops after you either. :lol:

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