Looking for technical help and specs. Crews and general

[khuebner250]

So I am trying to learn what I can and i've seen conflicting info all over the place. Is there anyone or place that keeps specific sweptline facts? (Wiki, allpar, etc are pretty general)
D, W, 100, 200, 300, single, crew, long bed, short bed, /6, bbm, sbm, door handles, 1/2 years, frame dims, plus a million other technical differences for sweptlines.
Here's some examples of my questions...

Are W frames 8" in height and D frames 6" or all the same?
Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks made for the military?
Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks short beds?
Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab, I thought only /6 and sbm?
Are the VIN numbers stamped in the frames?

I'm really looking to get a W crew cab. But it's so hard to know what is correct. I don't want to buy something that's been cobbled together or converted/swapped.

Just looking for some help,
Thanks

[PwrWgnDrvr]

So I am trying to learn what I can and i've seen conflicting info all over the place. Is there anyone or place that keeps specific sweptline facts? (Wiki, allpar, etc are pretty general)
D, W, 100, 200, 300, single, crew, long bed, short bed, /6, bbm, sbm, door handles, 1/2 years, frame dims, plus a million other technical differences for sweptlines.
Here's some examples of my questions...

Are W frames 8" in height and D frames 6" or all the same?
All the same
Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks made for the military?
No
Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks short beds?
Yes
Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab, I thought only /6 and sbm?
Maybe the military could, but I couldn't
Are the VIN numbers stamped in the frames?
Yes

I'm really looking to get a W crew cab. But it's so hard to know what is correct. I don't want to buy something that's been cobbled together or converted/swapped.

Just looking for some help,
Thanks

[soopernaut]

So I am trying to learn what I can and i've seen conflicting info all over the place. Is there anyone or place that keeps specific sweptline facts? (Wiki, allpar, etc are pretty general) We keep them in our heads.
D, W, 100, 200, 300, single, crew, long bed, short bed, /6, bbm, sbm, door handles, 1/2 years, frame dims, plus a million other technical differences for sweptlines. D=2wd W=4wd 100=1/2 ton, unless it is a 61-68 W100, that means a regular cab short bed but has 8 lug axles. 300=1 ton...long bed/short bed are pretty explanatory but there was also a 9 foot long Utiline bed on regular cab 1 ton trucks.../6=slant 6 is a 6 cylinder inline engine with the cylinder bank tilted 30*...door handles changed styles for the 67 model year and are not easy to interchange...1/2 years=1965 early trucks retained the styling of the 1964 trucks and the late 65 trucks were completely redesigned. There are still many parts that interchange between the early and late trucks.
Here's some examples of my questions...

Are W frames 8" in height and D frames 6" or all the same?
Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks made for the military?
Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks short beds?
Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab, I thought only /6 and sbm?
Are the VIN numbers stamped in the frames?

I'm really looking to get a W crew cab. But it's so hard to know what is correct. I don't want to buy something that's been cobbled together or converted/swapped.

Just looking for some help,
Thanks

[digdoug]

I'm Not sure what is going on with the posting of quotes above. Maybe it is easier than answering 20 questions. (because I know both PrwWgnDrvr and soopernaut could and have answered many of these questions in the past. There is a search function in the upper right-hand corner. Once you learn to use it, you will be able to answer all the sweptline related Questions you have. THIS FORUM is the best body of knowledge on sweptline trucks in the world. You may find some misinformation here too but if you sort through enough comments you will glean facts.
My advise would be to use the search bar first. If you can't find a satisfactory answer to a SPECIFIC question, ask.
Good luck on your crewcab search,and

[PwrWgnDrvr]

Doug, Bill and I both answered with bold type inside the quote box to ease and simplify answering a bazillion esoteric questions.

[digdoug]

Thanks, Terry! NOW I SEE! I need to read between the lines.

[khuebner250]

Are W frames 8" in height and D frames 6" or all the same?
All the same

So, according to these threads they are not the same. Frame section modulus are different. So the frames are either different thicknesses or dims. Or a little of both. I thought I had read that the W frames were taller. Hence the 8" or 6" above and my confusion.
viewtopic.php?t=40944
viewtopic.php?t=13521

Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks made for the military?
No
I've only ever seen W crew cab short beds with military data plates or 4 holes on the dash where it used to be. Everyone I've seen in the registry is ex military.

Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab, I thought only /6 and sbm?
Maybe the military could, but I couldn't
But I see "original" w200 military crews for sale with big blocks in them but I can't find info to support they made them.

[digdoug]

From what I have seen, Sweptline era (1961-71) D and W 200 crew cab frames are the same height and thickness as regular 128" D and W 100 & 200 frames. I have seen D100 short wheelbase trucks with thinner frames. I have not seen any of the very early crew cabs that were converted regular cab trucks, but they most likely would have had extra metal sandwiched to the frame, as the frame would have been cut and stretched. The availability of big blocks in W200 crews would have happened after 1967. The best way to tell what engine was there when it left the factory is to read the HP rating on the door tag. You must study the HP rating of the 225,318, and 383 to match them up. Some of the 1967 383 trucks just had a bunch of zeros in the horsepower section of the door tag. Govt. agencies were by far the biggest consumers of the w200 crews, but railroads and loggers also bought them new, among others...

[PwrWgnDrvr]

W and D frames are the exact same height and width. Where would the 6" or 8" number even be measured since the height varies from front to middle to back? Regardless, I own, have owned and have parted enough to know. Whether the frame thickness varies a few thousandths, that I have not ever measured, but it sure isn't enough to notice or see.

The original question was: "Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab....?"
The answer is NO!
HTF am I going to place an order for the military? The military orders their vehicles, not you or I.

This one is in the registry and is NOT military. (mine)
http://www.sweptline.org/SweptlineRegis ... BJ0S118046
It had a custom cab with factory carpet sill trims both front and rear.

[soopernaut]

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Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab, I thought only /6 and sbm?

But I see "original" w200 military crews for sale with big blocks in them but I can't find info to support they made them.

There are a few of these trucks that all have the same options; 383, larger truck fenders, tow hooks, radio suppression, etc. I think these may all have been for military use originally. I'd have to see if I could find a photo with the dash plate.

http://www.sweptline.org/SweptlineRegis ... BJ0S143696

[Hobcobble]

Welcome to the site.
I'll chime in on this....

Are W frames 8" in height and D frames 6" or all the same?
> D & W [100/200 series] frames were the same height.

Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks made for the military?
> No. Lots of these were built and sold to the general public through dealerships

Were 99% of all crew cab W trucks short beds?
> I can't support the 99% with any documentation. I'd say the vast majority of
Crew Cab trucks were built with the short box.

Could you get a big block in a military W crew cab, I thought only /6 and sbm?
> Beginning in '67, Dodge offered the 383 in their trucks. Finding out whether or
not the military ever specified this engine in any of their W Crew Cabs would
probably be impossible. There were 426 Wedges and 413 engines offered in
Sweptlines prior to '67, but I do not believe they were ever put in anything
other than a D Series truck equipped with an automatic. Terry [PwrWgnDrvr]
might have had a W200 with a 413 in it? ... He can elaborate. I do
not believe it would have been military, however.

Are the VIN numbers stamped in the frames?
> The VIN# is stamped on the frame.

I'm really looking to get a W crew cab. But it's so hard to know what is correct. I don't want to buy something that's been cobbled together or converted/swapped.

John

[Kaegi]

I recently read in an old ad from the 60s that the W frames were thicker material. don't remember what year the ad was for tho

[quillc]

Are the VIN numbers stamped in the frames?

Several members have replied that the VINs are stamped on the frame by the steering box. I have a 66W300 crew, a 66D300 and a 69 W200. None of them are stamped anything in that location.

For those of you who have seen the frame stamped with the VIN, where exactly have you seen it? I sure as hell can't find it on my trucks.

[soopernaut]

Are the VIN numbers stamped in the frames?

Several members have replied that the VINs are stamped on the frame by the steering box. I have a 66W300 crew, a 66D300 and a 69 W200. None of them are stamped anything in that location.

For those of you who have seen the frame stamped with the VIN, where exactly have you seen it? I sure as hell can't find it on my trucks.

Go to the passenger side.

[PwrWgnDrvr]

Read this:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42459