Baffling slant 6 problem

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Baffling slant 6 problem

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A friend of mine called me and asked me to look at his D100 with a slant 6. Seems he just got this truck and it suddenly isn't working right. It was drove to his house, but he hasn't been able to drive it since.

It only starts with starting fluid, but then seems to run great. It dies hard when put into gear, and has a serious flat spot off idle. So I check the timing. The thing must have been advanced a tooth due to how far advanced it was! I tried to adjust it, but the closest I got was about 10 degrees. So I moved the dizzy one tooth and it wouldn't run at all! :banghead It even tried firing up through the carb a time or two on the restarts or on accelleration. :thinking

So I switched the brain box to the electronic ignition to see if it would help. Maybe a little, but not much. Cleaned off the contacts in the cap (a bit corroded) but that didn't make a noticable difference either. Plugs look ok, though a little black, like it's been running rich. Tried adjusting the carb, but I couldn't make anything better.

So I am thinking that I need to get this thing back to where the settings should be, then diagnose from there. So, does anyone remember what the air gap setting is for the ignition pick-up? What about the carb? I can't recall how many turns out the air/fuel mixture screw should be. The carb appears to be a recent part, and it has great fuel pressure. It's become painfully obvious to me that it's been entirely too long since I played with a 6, that's for sure! All my trucks have 440s.

I know this truck was roadworthy just days ago, as I saw it being driven many times in the last two weeks by the previous owner. So it can't be anything serious, or at least I'd like to hope so. Thanks in advance for your help. :usa
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Post by cowboy »

Jeff, theres two adjustments on the /6 dist, the one in the block & one on the bottom of the dist, burping up through the carb sounds like 180 out , I dont have any setting here right now , but just play it by ear & see where it go's, the /6 is a lot toucher then the 440 to adj the dist, good luck
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I just got done working on my /6"s manifold leak yesterday. Your problem sounds like what mine did when I forgot to put the vacuum line on for the power brake booster. It would start if pumped repeatedly then it would just die. As soon as I put the vac line back on the manifold it started and ran fine.
If this is not the case then I would look at the fuel first. May have water in it.
Disconnect the fuel line going to the fuel pump and drain some fuel into a glass container. let it settle then look for water in the bottom. Remove the fuel filter if it is between the carb and fuel pump then try in on a gravity supply to the carb. If this doesn't work then try just squirting gas into the carb once it is running. Be advised with the backfiring you mentioned above this could be hazzardous to your health!!!!! Plus you can burn the whole place down!!! On second thought do not try this!!!
You said that you moved the distributer on tooth and it got worse! Have you brought #1 cyl. up on TDC and looked at where the roror is pointing? Checked the firing order of the plug wires?
Is the Exhaust restricted? Did someone stuff a potatoe up his tail pipe? Is the heat riser stuck in the closed position?
Many more things to check but this is a start.
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Post by wideblock »

as suddenly as this happened, my money is on timing chain/gears :Thumbsup bring up #1, and check everything to see that the timing chain/gears havent jumped a tooth. im betting they have. about the only thing that will make it go from road worthy one minute to shooting flames out the carb the next :Thumbsup
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wideblock66 wrote:as suddenly as this happened, my money is on timing chain/gears :Thumbsup bring up #1, and check everything to see that the timing chain/gears havent jumped a tooth. im betting they have. about the only thing that will make it go from road worthy one minute to shooting flames out the carb the next :Thumbsup
I concur Doctor. This often happens when the motor is shut off and chugs to a stop; a loop of slack chain is thrown over and grabs the next set of teeth. BAM, you've jumped time.

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Post by Jeffc »

Good bet on the chain...
I would check to see if outer ring on the dampner has slipped frist vs. TDC and vacume leaks......
Are valves making a lot of noise? and have you checked lash?
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Post by 69sweptline »

/sicks. put my money on the chain. Especially if it has the plastic cam gear!

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Post by OregonDodgeboy »

I am begining to suspect a timing chain problem, but the confusing part is it runs so sweet. Smooth and quiet, so I don't suspect an impropper firing order or anything like that. Maybe I'll pull all the plugs and see how much slop is in the timing chain. Worked on my 440 in the 66!

I did bring the #1 up to TDC and it didn't quite look like it was hitting it when it should. That's when I tried moving it, as the adjustment slot didn't allow enough travel to get there. One tooth in either direction failed to get the results I was expecting. In fact, one setting it wouldn't fire at all.

I'll have to look at the adjustment on the bottom of the dizzy, I forgot about that one. I also know that the "dwell" is adjustable with an allen tool inserted into the vacuum canister on the dizzy. I just need the gap to get it right.

I'll also have to look at the balancer, as I suppose it could have slipped. Wouldn't be the first time for that one.

Thanks for all the ideas! It helped clear some cobwebs from the old diagnosis chamber! :lol: I'll take them all over there on thursday and see what else I can figger out. I'll let ya know what I find! :usa
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Maybe its just because I'm still a little wet behind the ears on these trucks that are almost twice as old as me but what is a "dizzy"? :withstupid

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Distributor. Tuner kids use the term as well.

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Post by Jeffc »

Jeff,
are you going to make it " local track" July 17th for the Mopar Nat's? bunch of us from Vancouver are planing
on showing up.......
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Anonymous wrote:Distributor. Tuner kids use the term as well.
Fo shizzle!

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Post by OregonDodgeboy »

Jeffc wrote:Jeff,
are you going to make it " local track" July 17th for the Mopar Nat's? bunch of us from Vancouver are planing
on showing up.......
I would love to come out and meet ya'all, but it would likely be in the Scout. Both of my trucks are far from drivers right now. Are ya gonna park or pit together?
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