Hydrogen with gas?

[Floorguy]

Does anyone have any input on running some sort of kit under your hood that takes the hydrogen from water, mixes with the gas going into your engine and greatly improves the overall mileage?

My father has been looking into this, but I'm not yet sure what to think.

It would be great if this was possible, but is it?

Any input would be helpful.

[motomatt383]

its been discussed in a few places, i'm really interested in trying it! i downloaded a manual on how to build one. i hate to say i've been just busy enuff that i haven't had the chance to really dedicate much time to it.

here's the links where it has been discussed previously
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15991

matt

[Floorguy]

Thanks Matt.

I knew it was brought up before.

I went to the website, and it's the same one my Father is going to get.

Hopefully it's worth it and works.

Slick mentioned that it may have been on Mythbusters, and I thought I saw that episode. Nothing they tried worked. But I've seen several things not work for them, but still work elsewhere.

I'll keep this posted if my Father really does go through with it.

[motomatt383]

the manual i ordered seems way more labor intensive to build than the one in the "water 4 gas" website. but definetly keep us posted as to your progress. i've looked at E-bay, i think you could just about buy one cheaper than you could build it.

matt

[nfury8]

Snake Oil.

Hydrogen works, Myth Busters proved that. They almost blew themselves
up in the process! They used bottled hydrogen. Splitting water molecules on the fly
for fuel isn't a practical reality yet. It takes a lot of energy to break the molecular bond. More
energy than it produces.

I read through the Water4Gas site, very entertaining! The real nature of the site
is revealed at the bottom of the page: HOW TO SELL THESE SYSTEMS FOR IMMEDIATE PROFIT

We did an experiment in college breaking the molecule. We used a 12 volt train transformer
and were able to produce enough hydrogen to equal a fire cracker in 20 minutes. The
contraption they use with the Ball canning jars is a lot like what we did with beakers and
test tubes. They might actually produce some hydrogen, if you see bulbs then it is doing something.
But I can't dream it would produce enough to do anything. Remember Hydrogen atoms are the smallest
atoms, the small amounts that system produces would leak out long before combustion.

Water splitting can also be done with heat, various methods require between 1000 and 2000
degrees celcius.

One thing they touch on that does have some merit it water injection. This is nothing new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_inje ... engines%29

As for the xylol and acetone, these would probably be comparable to using Seafoam or Chemtool.
Chemtool is cheaper.

This was funny:
Reduce engine operating temperatures - also helps to prevent global warming.

[nfury8]

Here a U-Tube video with some HHO stuff mixed in with the Myth Busters Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG23wro7v0s

The video shows a bag filling with hydrogen and claims it only took 5 minutes.
That amount of un compressed gas is probably what it would take to power a V8
through just one complete cycle on each cylinder, as in 2 revolutions.

[Floorguy]

[quote="nfury8"]Snake Oil.



I read through the Water4Gas site, very entertaining! The real nature of the site
is revealed at the bottom of the page: HOW TO SELL THESE SYSTEMS FOR IMMEDIATE PROFIT

We did an experiment in college breaking the molecule. We used a 12 volt train transformer
and were able to produce enough hydrogen to equal a fire cracker in 20 minutes. The
contraption they use with the Ball canning jars is a lot like what we did with beakers and
test tubes. They might actually produce some hydrogen, if you see bulbs then it is doing something.
But I can't dream it would produce enough to do anything. Remember Hydrogen atoms are the smallest
atoms, the small amounts that system produces would leak out long before combustion.

So are you saying the Water4Gas site kit/idea is not what it says? The kit information is not worth while? Or that this idea/concept will not work?

This is the one my Father is after, but I'm skeptical...

[nfury8]

They are going a lot of different directions on that site.
The theory behind their HHO generator is simple stuff.
It should produce "some" hydrogen, I can't see how it would
do enough to make any noticable difference. I went through
a bunch of the U-Tube videos on HHO and the only generators
that I saw producing any noticable amounts of HHO were all
powered off a vehicle, none were on a vehicle. Gas bubbling up
through a beaker of water is more impressive. There aren't
any mechanisisms I have seen to collect, compress and introduce
the gas in a conrolled, and sizable manner.

So it might produce some hydrogen, and it might actually get
some of that hydrogen into the combustion chamber. But because
the volume is so low and it is uncompressed, I can't see it making
in difference at all. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be overly
negative, I would love to see stuff like this work! But drawing on what
I remember form my high school and college science and electronics
classes, I just don't see it working.

CarCraft has already done articles on making your hot rod run on E85.
If there was anything to these home grown HHO generators, I think
we would be seeing them in more places than U-Tube. If your dad already
has it then go for it! I don't see any glaring possibilities for damage.
If it works great! document it and prove me wrong, I would love to be
wrong on this thing! If it doesn't then document it also and help bring
an end to this BS.

[moparman64]

check out runyourcaronwater.com it shows how to make one of these hho units my friend has one on his car and said it boosted his milage about 30%. im actually trin to make one myself.

[BrowneBlue]

A customer just came in here to get something. We sell plumbing and electrical. Anyway, he was here last year and bought a water filter cannister to make one of these. He says it works. He has a 1982 Chevy S-10 and went from 17mpg to 19mpg. Only...... ......12%, but hey, it works.

[nfury8]

I would be curious what other modifications he made.
I have heard people claim a cold air kit can get you 1-2 miles mpg.
That at least makes since. However, 2 mpg is hardly the 20-30 mpg
leaps they claim.

[TedWitt]

Go to www.water4fuel.com and check it out. My stepson has a Ferd PU that normally gets 20 mph and he built this system for is and now he get 36 mpg. I'm having trouble finding the 316L stainless steel wire. I do plan to try this on my 2001 1500 SLT. When I try this out, I will post the results.