Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
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Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
I read a few older threads about this and wondered if anyone found a solution? It sure looks like I'm going to have trouble finding a booster to clear the valve cover. I sold my 70 BB truck so, I don't have anything to measure. Has anyone put power brakes on an early truck with a big block? Is the position of the master on the firewall, on the early vs late trucks different? I can get the "pancake" style for the late 70s truck front disk and rear drum that might cleat the cover. I just don't know. I have about 3.75 inches between the valve cover and the firewall. It also looks like 3 inches from the edge of the valve cover to the single master. Thanks Craig
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
Don't think so. Terry would know for sure.my5thmopar wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:43 pmIs the position of the master on the firewall, on the early vs late trucks different?
Mopar made a lot of smaller diameter boosters out on a long bracket for the low-hood A-body cars that might work.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
Russ Ashley (RussA I think) used a smaller firewall booster that cleared his big block. That was more than 10 yrs ago so good luck finding the posts. U can also use a frame mounted vac booster under the cab. That's on my 66 D100 with the 6BT.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
I found his posts and I had already looked at the universal type boosters. That may work. I thought I read where someone used a 72 master but maybe that was manual brakes.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
I see you have power steering why not put in a hydra booster it is relatively easy with no clearance issues and a much cleaner look. I put one out of a chebby one ton in my 67 W100 SWB if you need any info on the subject let me know. jwing68
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
I haven’t explored alternatives but do you have a thread on here? Craig
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
Check my build thread for pics of my booster setup from Pirate Jacks https://piratejack.net/. You might also check out the hemi-offset-style adapter from Dr. Diff http://www.doctordiff.com which will move the assembly over an inch or so.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
Looks like they have a great selection. ThanksConrad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:01 pmYou might also check out the hemi-offset-style adapter from Dr. Diff http://www.doctordiff.com which will move the assembly over an inch or so.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
I have been running an early 70's A body Dart, Valiant power booster for the last 43 years. Originally I used single master cylinder and in 1983 I upgraded to dual master cylinder braking. I custom fabricated the arm to attache to pedal from heavy flat bar. And for a year or so truck had a 440 in it. Clearance was not an issue.
My truck is younger than me.
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What I bought for my truck. They were cheap on eBay.dodgeboykim wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:50 amI have been running an early 70's A body Dart, Valiant power booster for the last 43 years.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
Dana Hayes Hydro Booster out of a chebby one ton with over 2000 psi of boost, a good alternative for lumpy cams and low vacuum.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
Gets busy with those hoses.
I can't see that a hydro boost requires much in the way of flow; it just needs static pressure. So with a setup like this (and given that it has an accumulator), can one use the PS pump to run the power steering as well? If so, is there a "distribution block" for that purpose?
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
It is rather busy with the plumbing, you are correct about the flow and static pressure & it is run by the P/S being first in line (series) for obvious reasons so no distribution block is needed except for the two return lines. The big Merc's & Lincolns from the seventies ran the hydro booster as well having an inline filter & a small cooler. I'm surprised more Swepties don't upgrade in this way as it is a very common upgrade in the Jeep world.
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
jwing68 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:25 amIt is rather busy with the plumbing, you are correct about the flow and static pressure & it is run by the P/S being first in line (series) for obvious reasons so no distribution block is needed except for the two return lines. The big Merc's & Lincolns from the seventies ran the hydro booster as well having an inline filter & a small cooler. I'm surprised more Swepties don't upgrade in this way as it is a very common upgrade in the Jeep world.
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'67 W200 383 NP435 4.10 w overload springs, Dana 60, PTO winch & flatbed dump, racks, crane, c-air (Max)
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Re: Power brakes on 64 with 440 issues?
I thought about the hydro booster but went with vacuum. I saw a truck at the last Mopar show with electric steering and it was slick. I didn’t want to be stuck with changing both. I bought a 9 inch set up for a early Charger. I couldn’t find one for a Dart. It fits and clears the valve cover. I’ll post pix when I’m done. Craig
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