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hey everybody
iv got a 64 sweptline shortwide. im wanting to run a 833 4 speed behind my poly 318. im told i cannot run a manual clutch because of linkage interference with the crossmember. so heres my question.... can i run this setup with a hydraulic clutch setup? thanks for any help, brian

flyngreenmole wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:06 pm

hey everybody
iv got a 64 sweptline shortwide. im wanting to run a 833 4 speed behind my poly 318. im told i cannot run a manual clutch because of linkage interference with the crossmember. so heres my question.... can i run this setup with a hydraulic clutch setup? thanks for any help, brian

If you are intent on running an 833 it is possible, Buuut you will have to cut existing crossmember out supporting the Hydraulic bellhousing, Get a mechanical bellhousing with compatible flywheel/clutch assembly, Figure out shifter hole in floor and maybe a custom shift handle, Drive shaft and new rear crossmember to support transmission. You can use the hydraulic clutch system by making a bracket to mount slave and whatever else is needed... Still interested in conversion. No it is not a simple conversion.

dodgeboykim wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 18, 2023 12:55 pm

No it is not a simple conversion.

I've put an A833 on a 318 using the aluminum small block bellhousing and the D100 hydro clutch cylinder set. The bracket for the slave on the driver's side was very simple. I did end up cracking the firewall due to the racing clutch I had in it though. I ended up building an entirely new pedal support bracket to make it work long term.

thanks guys for getting back to me on this! i do understand this is not plug and play. fabricating crossmembers and mounts does not scare me at all. if i can get my drive train assembled (poly 318, bell, a833, to the rear end) i am confident in my fabrication skills for making the mounts work. im being told by someone much smarter than myself that a manual linkage clutch will be very difficult due to interference with the existing crossmember. if i use a hydraulic bell from a later year (im told 88 and later probably from a van) that it would all bolt up with no interference. how does this play into your experiences? im certainly open to suggestions. i am interested in hearing more about the manual linkage bell being switched to hydro!? i already have a aluminum bell with the hole on the driver side. however if the for-mentioned setup with the van bell makes more sense ill start the hunt for that bell… i really had no idea this was going to be so challenging when i dove in!

thanks guys for getting back to me on this! i do understand this is not plug and play. fabricating crossmembers and mounts does not scare me at all. if i can get my drive train assembled (poly 318, bell, a833, to the rear end) i am confident in my fabrication skills for making the mounts work. im being told by someone much smarter than myself that a manual linkage clutch will be very difficult due to interference with the existing crossmember. if i use a hydraulic bell from a later year (im told 88 and later probably from a van) that it would all bolt up with no interference. how does this play into your experiences? im certainly open to suggestions. i am interested in hearing more about the manual linkage bell being switched to hydro!? i already have a aluminum bell with the hole on the driver side. however if the for-mentioned setup with the van bell makes more sense ill start the hunt for that bell… i really had no idea this was going to be so challenging when i dove in!

Just run a hydraulic throwout bearing in the bell that's compatible with the 833 and hook it up to the existing master. A 727 crossmember to bolt the frame stubs together can be found or easily made up with a length of 2" X 4" tubing. I'm sure someone here will post a picture to show you what it looks like, if needed. If there is not one already there, a crossmember for the transmission mount shouldn't be that difficult to find or make either.

flyngreenmole wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:06 pm

hey everybody
iv got a 64 sweptline shortwide. im wanting to run a 833 4 speed behind my poly 318. im told i cannot run a manual clutch because of linkage interference with the crossmember. so heres my question.... can i run this setup with a hydraulic clutch setup? thanks for any help, brian

I did that on my '64 Dart using the aluminum bell found on A and B body cars about 40 years ago, so this is a pretty dim memory. The bracket for the slave cylinder was pretty simple: It was two arms on a pipe to hold the cylinder. As I recall, there was a boss on the side of the bell with a threaded hole that held the upper "arm" on the bracket bent to mate to the surface. The lower arm was (if I recall correctly) to a (roughly) 1-1/4 X 2-1/2 chunk of 1/4" plate welded to a chunk of 1/4" pipe about 1-1/2" long to hold a bolt into the block. Those two arms were welded to a piece of 1" pipe to hold they cylinder. I cut the arms off the stock D100 cylinder and ground it smooth. I put a divot in it and threaded a 1/4" bolt through the pipe to lock it in place.

you guys are right, this is doable for sure! im waiting on my block to come back from the machine shop then i can start doing mock ups and getting mounts and brackets figured out. im really looking forward to this part of my project- getting the drivetrain in! ive been doing body work and it sucks! thanks for the suggestions!

Conductorblg wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 08, 2023 8:23 pm

Just run a hydraulic throwout bearing in the bell that's compatible with the 833 and hook it up to the existing master. A 727 crossmember to bolt the frame stubs together can be found or easily made up with a length of 2" X 4" tubing. I'm sure someone here will post a picture to show you what it looks like, if needed. If there is not one already there, a crossmember for the transmission mount shouldn't be that difficult to find or make either.

ok, sorry for the slow reply but sometimes im slow! after reading your post a second time i realized it did not say what i thought it did the first time. hydraulic throw out bearing? enlighten me please. does this mean everything is inside the bell? so no clutch fork needed? im not familiar with this setup.... thank you for any additional info, brian

I run a Tremec TKO 600 (5speed) with Poly in my series1 65'. I steered away from the internal hydraulic slave cylinder and instead used an external pull-type slave that I adapted to the side of the transmission. I did remove the factory cross member and then fabricated a replacement that fit the contour of the transmission. The only issues I had was working through the pedal ratio to obtain correct operation.

I used a external slave on my A833 A body bolted to the original 383. had to use a bracket for my booster from a early 70's dodge car so I had room for the master.My truck is on a 78 dodge d100 short box frame so I had to go with a hydraulic set up.

brikar wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 16, 2023 6:21 am

I used a external slave on my A833 A body bolted to the original 383. had to use a bracket for my booster from a early 70's dodge car so I had room for the master.My truck is on a 78 dodge d100 short box frame so I had to go with a hydraulic set up.

Am I seeing this correctly that you have the slave bleed on the bottom of the cylinder? How did you purge the air?

Nice job with the hard tubing BTW!

I had to loosen the shaft nut to spin it up so the bleed valve is near the top to bleed then twist it back downing tighten the locking nut. There's enough hose and flex to do that.

brikar wrote: ↑

Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:23 am

I had to loosen the shaft nut to spin it up so the bleed valve is near the top to bleed then twist it back downing tighten the locking nut. There's enough hose and flex to do that.

Gotcha. It just looked weird.

@brikar - you used an A Body A833 in your Sweptline? Did you use the A Body shifter? Hurst or Inland? Are you happy with the shifter height and location?
Do you know if a B body Hurst stick will bolt up to an A body Hurst shifter mechanism? Trying to find out if they mount the same before I start buying parts.
Appreciate any help or advice.

Dorn Laurenson
Prescott Valley, AZ

64 D100 shortbed, big window, V8, 4 spd, custom cab

tr1mmer wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:13 pm

@brikar - you used an A Body A833 in your Sweptline? Did you use the A Body shifter? Hurst or Inland? Are you happy with the shifter height and location?
Do you know if a B body Hurst stick will bolt up to an A body Hurst shifter mechanism? Trying to find out if they mount the same before I start buying parts.
Appreciate any help or advice.

Dorn Laurenson
Prescott Valley, AZ

64 D100 shortbed, big window, V8, 4 spd, custom cab

I used the Hurst shifter that was on it, some of the shifters the same just the linkage rods are different of course because of the different mounting location on the tail. Brewersperformance.com will give you all the info you will need and the parts if needed. I had both an A & B body A833 and went with the A body because I wanted it as close to the seat as possible.My truck is sitting on a 78 d100 short box frame so there is a difference from stock for engine/transmission location.

brikar wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 04, 2023 6:25 am

I used the Hurst shifter that was on it, some of the shifters the same just the linkage rods are different of course because of the different mounting location on the tail.

That is correct, the shifters are the same but the rods are different.

What do you plan to do about a boot? Leather?

Not sure just yet, I do have a fibreglass cover and boot from a doge truck that had the A833 overdrive version that I would have to modify to fit. I might just build a console and leather boot because the interior will be done in leather anyway. The shifter will be changed to a custom pistol grip also.

brikar wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 04, 2023 2:04 pm

The shifter will be changed to a custom pistol grip also.

I always liked a walnut ball. I loved how positive the Hurst feels on the A833, no slop at all. Great transmission.

@brikar - Thank you very much for the information and especially pictures! Really helps me see how that shifter location will work.
I'm selling the Crown Vic I've been saving and ordered the QA1 Gerst suspension last night. When I get it and the column I intend to use in place and seats mocked up I can measure and decide which shifter stick I want. I didn't want to order parts for the A body A833 until I was sure I didn't need to look for the B body trans.
Thanks again.
Dorn