np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
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np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
Hey guys as much as i want to keep my Poly 318 I need to replace it with a 318 LA was wondering if I could remove the flywheel from the poly and do a direct bolt on to the 318LA with out issue
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
Since they use the exact same bellhousing, don't see where there can be any problem.
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
If the 318LA was for an automatic trans, the pilot bushing hole in the crank may be only rough bored. I don't know if the pitch of the teeth on the flywheel gear mesh with the gear on the starter motor for the 318LA.
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'68 W200 383 NP435 3.53
'67 W200 383 NP435 4.10 w overload springs, Dana 60, PTO winch & flatbed dump, racks, crane, c-air (Max)
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
LA 318 Hydraulic flywheel and A series 318 Poly Hydraulic flywheel interchange no problem. I have done that myself a few times.
Poly to LA 318 and back again to Poly. As said, Does the LA 318 have pilot bushing provision.
Poly to LA 318 and back again to Poly. As said, Does the LA 318 have pilot bushing provision.
My truck is younger than me.
66 W100. 70 D 500 , 69 Hiab Speed Loader. 96 Ram 3500 Club Cab Cummin's 5 spd. 97 Ram 1500 Club Cab 5.9 gas auto. 83 W200 LB Propane 360 auto 09 Yammy Rhino 700.
66 W100. 70 D 500 , 69 Hiab Speed Loader. 96 Ram 3500 Club Cab Cummin's 5 spd. 97 Ram 1500 Club Cab 5.9 gas auto. 83 W200 LB Propane 360 auto 09 Yammy Rhino 700.
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
The starter and flywheel are governed by the bellhousing, not the engine.Wildergarten wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:48 pmI don't know if the pitch of the teeth on the flywheel gear mesh with the gear on the starter motor for the 318LA.
Note: 66 and prior trucks used the poly 318. 67-68 used the LA318. All those yrs used the exact same bellhousing, clutch, flywheel, starter, etc.
Then in 69, the system changed to the mechanical bellhousing and everything changed, except the 318LA stayed the same as it was in 67,68.
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
Builder didn't specify the provenance of the LA 318 he plans to install. I bought an one at a wrecking yard out of a 71 Challenger that was not finish bored for a pilot bushing; it was just a rough drilled hole. This was a huge problem for me as a 20yo kid with minimal tools figuring that out on my dad's garage floor when the bushing wouldn't install. I didn't even have a caliper. Ended up pounding it in and making a wooden jig for a reamer into the bronze oilite. Fixed it about five years later getting the crank bored when I had it ground. College age poverty doncha know.dodgeboykim wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 12:25 amAs said, Does the LA 318 have pilot bushing provision.
'69 W200 (thumbnail)
'68 W200 (RIP)
'68 W200 383 NP435 3.53
'67 W200 383 NP435 4.10 w overload springs, Dana 60, PTO winch & flatbed dump, racks, crane, c-air (Max)
Mark Vande Pol
Wildergarten.org
'68 W200 (RIP)
'68 W200 383 NP435 3.53
'67 W200 383 NP435 4.10 w overload springs, Dana 60, PTO winch & flatbed dump, racks, crane, c-air (Max)
Mark Vande Pol
Wildergarten.org
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
Dealt with that myself. Used a 1" drill bit in a right angle drill and bored it myself. But I was going the other way - using an automatic forged crank out of a poly and installing into an LA with a 435.Wildergarten wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 11:09 amBuilder didn't specify the provenance of the LA 318 he plans to install. I bought an one at a wrecking yard out of a 71 Challenger that was not finish bored for a pilot bushing; it was just a rough drilled hole. This was a huge problem for me as a 20yo kid with minimal tools figuring that out on my dad's garage floor when the bushing wouldn't install. I didn't even have a caliper. Ended up pounding it in and making a wooden jig for a reamer into the bronze oilite. Fixed it about five years later getting the crank bored when I had it ground. College age poverty doncha know.dodgeboykim wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 12:25 amAs said, Does the LA 318 have pilot bushing provision.
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
AKA the classic battle between "do it right" and "make it work." Almost always a tough call.PwrWgnDrvr wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:30 pmDealt with that myself. Used a 1" drill bit in a right angle drill and bored it myself. But I was going the other way - using an automatic forged crank out of a poly and installing into an LA with a 435.
'69 W200 (thumbnail)
'68 W200 (RIP)
'68 W200 383 NP435 3.53
'67 W200 383 NP435 4.10 w overload springs, Dana 60, PTO winch & flatbed dump, racks, crane, c-air (Max)
Mark Vande Pol
Wildergarten.org
'68 W200 (RIP)
'68 W200 383 NP435 3.53
'67 W200 383 NP435 4.10 w overload springs, Dana 60, PTO winch & flatbed dump, racks, crane, c-air (Max)
Mark Vande Pol
Wildergarten.org
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
Yup!Wildergarten wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 6:54 pmAKA the classic battle between "do it right" and "make it work." Almost always a tough call.PwrWgnDrvr wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:30 pmDealt with that myself. Used a 1" drill bit in a right angle drill and bored it myself. But I was going the other way - using an automatic forged crank out of a poly and installing into an LA with a 435.
Fortunately, work trucks can handle a lot more "make it work" than vehicles in other applications. I've seen a ton of "make it work" in the Alaska bush that is beyond description.
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Re: np435 from a 318 poly to 318 LA
Regarding lack of a pilot bushing in crank. When I installed the 74 400 BB into my 70 Fargo D 500 it did not have the crank drilled. I bolted a flywheel to engine and used a magnetic drill stuck to flywheel to drill pilot hole to size. Used closest bit i had to bushing size
and finished hole by polishing it to size.
That was 15 years ago.
and finished hole by polishing it to size.
That was 15 years ago.
My truck is younger than me.
66 W100. 70 D 500 , 69 Hiab Speed Loader. 96 Ram 3500 Club Cab Cummin's 5 spd. 97 Ram 1500 Club Cab 5.9 gas auto. 83 W200 LB Propane 360 auto 09 Yammy Rhino 700.
66 W100. 70 D 500 , 69 Hiab Speed Loader. 96 Ram 3500 Club Cab Cummin's 5 spd. 97 Ram 1500 Club Cab 5.9 gas auto. 83 W200 LB Propane 360 auto 09 Yammy Rhino 700.